La mejor manera de responder a esta consigna es describir cómo es la vida diaria en una de esas prisiones, detalladas por un colega, que allí permaneció por poco más de un mes.
07:00: despertar El día comienza a las 7 de la mañana, cuando las duras luces fluorescentes cobraban vida. Segundos después, un guardia (o tanto-san) aparece para abrir la puerta de la celda para que los presos acomoden su ropa de cama. La ropa de cama consiste en un fino colchón tipo futón con una pequeña almohada, un edredón y una manta áspera que también es para uso diurno. No hay muebles en la celda, por lo que la manta esta allí para proporcionar algo de acolchado contra el duro suelo de tatami verde. .
07:05: Limpieza Después de guardar la ropa de cama, el guardia entrega productos de limpieza a través de una pequeña abertura en la puerta de la celda. Una escobilla de baño, una escoba pequeña y dos trapos de aseo. Los compañeros de celda dividen las tareas y normalmente uno limpia el baño mientras el otro limpia el resto de la celda. Si no limpiáran adecuadamente, recibirían una conversación severa.
07:15–08:00: Desayuno Una vez terminada la limpieza, se entrega el desayuno. Se reciben dos platos, uno lleno de arroz y el otro lleno de una comida pequeña. Por la mañana siempre hay un trozo de pescado ahumado y huevo dulce. También toman una taza de “té verde” que es principalmente agua tibia.
A veces también les entregan un termómetro en la celda y el guardia avisa si era día para ir a la corte, deben tomarse la temperatura y luego devolverle el termómetro al guardia. La entrega del termómetro era una señal segura de que el prisionero iria a ver al fiscal, al juez o a ambos.
08:00–10:00: tiempo de ejercicio de lunes a sábado (no domingo) y tiempo de ducha los martes y sábados únicamente Los martes y sábados son designados “días de lluvia” y es el que más esperan. Solo se permite duchar dos veces por semana durante 15 minutos a la vez. Es lo más cercano a “relajarse”.. Hay una bañera en la habitación, junto con dos cabezales de ducha en la pared.
No importaba el día, tienen “tiempo de ejercicio” alrededor de las 8 am. (dura entre 5 y 10 minutos). Los guardias acompañan una celda a la vez hasta una habitación con paredes de cemento. Hay ventanas abiertas en lo alto de las paredes de esta habitación y, aunque no se puede ver a través de ellas, dejan entrar un poco de aire fresco.
10:00–12:00 Hora de sentarse y reflexionar, o interrogatorio por parte de la policía A las 10 de la mañana comienza el tiempo de “sentarse y reflexionar”. Básicamente dejan solos a los presos la mayor parte del día. Durante el tiempo, pueden leer, escribir en diarios personal, intentar tomar una siesta (extremadamente difícil de lograr con el piso duro y la deslumbrante iluminación fluorescente).
A las 10 de la mañana también comienza el horario en el que a la policía se le permite interrogar a los prisioneros. Hay algo así como un timbre que suena en toda la cárcel y que señala que la policía había llegado para interrogar a alguien. La única advertencia del interrogatorio que se avecinaba era el timbre de la puerta y luego un guardia entrando en la celda. Honestamente, puede suceder en cualquier momento.
Las 12:00 era la hora del almuerzo. Se entregan otros dos platos, uno con arroz y otro con la comida, junto con té verde. La comida incluye cosas como curry japonés y ensalada de fideos.
Durante la hora del almuerzo, los guardias ponen la radio.
13:00–19:00: sentarse y reflexionar o interrogatorio policial. A las 13:00 retorna la hora de “sentarse y reflexionar”
16:00: Merienda (durante el tiempo para sentarse y reflexionar) Si un prisionero tenía suficiente dinero, podía comprar bocadillos como cajas de jugo, bollos dulces, dulces o bocadillos salados como chips de camarones. Los presos tienen que comprar todos los artículos personales como jabón, champú, cepillo de dientes, pasta de dientes y toallas del tamaño de trapos de lavar.
19:00–20:00: cena La cena se sirve a las 7 pm y consiste en los mismos dos platillos. Uno con arroz y otro sin arroz. Los guardias también encienden la radio durante la cena y todos los domingos tienen un segmento llamado “¡Todo empezó con los Beatles!” donde tocan canciones del grupo inglés.
21:00: preparación para dormir Es hora de prepararse para la hora de dormir. En realidad, no es ir a la cama, sino que es hora de sacar el futón y prepararlo para la hora de dormir.
22:00: Hora de dormir. El mejor momento del día. En realidad, rara vez se duerme más de una o dos horas seguidas porque el colchón del futón es muy delgado.
Si bien no creo que sea una experiencia divertida, es una muy buena experiencia de aprendizaje.
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Harry Close
9 months ago
TEMPLO DE LA HERMANDAD ILLUMINATI” ¡SALUDOS! SALUDOS SI TE CONVIERTES EN MIEMBRO DE LOS GRANDES Illuminati, TE DAMOS LA BIENVENIDA. SE PARTE DE ALGO RENTABLE Y ESPECIAL (BIENVENIDO AL MUNDO DE LOS ILLUMINATI). ¿Eres POLÍTICO, INGENIERO, MÉDICO, ANIMADOR, MODELO? , GRADUADO/ESTUDIANTE, O TIENES EN MENTE AMPLIAR TU NEGOCIO Para CONVERTIRTE EN GRANDES MENTES Es pertinente saber también que Por hacerte miembro, y ganar la suma de $1,000,000USD como primer beneficio de membresía Illuminati. Miedo, soy real. APROVECHA LA “OPORTUNIDAD” DE ORO. La gran Organización Illuminati te hará rico y famoso en el mundo, te sacará de la base y te llevará a una altura mayor donde durante mucho tiempo has aspirado a ser y juntos. Gobernaremos el mundo con el gran y poderoso poder de los Illuminati, larga vida y prosperidad aquí en la tierra con vida eterna y júbilo. Créame, le doy mi palabra. Únase a nosotros para obtener más información en el Whatsapp +2348025699656.
Kate Kuppa
1 year ago
They can’t secede.
It’s clearly stated in the Constitution.
Sitting Bill
1 year ago
Wonder what the citizens are saying well guess they dont care
The Flash
1 year ago
The US Supreme court stating states can not secede is like your electric company’s board of directors saying you can’t leave us because it is not written in the contract with us and we decided this is the rule.
Ivan Sommers
1 year ago
The idea is most often raised by conservatives in the state who are angry over some kind of policy coming from the federal government — and the calls seem to become more frequent when a Democrat is occupying the White House.
Tom Robertson
1 year ago
if there was a referendum for secession which passed there really wouldn’t be anything the US could do about it. If they sent the military to try to subjugate Texas it would be viewed as an attack on democracy around the world which would immediately result in backlash from other countries and most likely more than 1 star would be coming off the US flag. Even if they did send the military it would likely completely backfire. There’s over 100k active-duty personnel from Texas in the US military. Most of which would not just turn on their home and fight against it.
Jennifer Bender
1 year ago
It’s funny to me that Texas can just go “Okay, we’re going to be five states now” and congress can only go “Wait, what?” I’m not sure why; it just is.
Bryan Bloch
1 year ago
Late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for the secession of Texas. The answer is clear, if there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, ‘one Nation, indivisible.’)”
it’s worth noting the mass exodus of companies from Texas should this ever happen as those companies would no longer be able to trade with the rest of the union,
Bobby Pintos
1 year ago
I was born in San Antonio not far from the Alamo, but I’ve lived in Alabama for over fourth years now. Either way I’ve lived in the deep south for most of my life. I’m a veteran spent 8 years in the Army. When I was young I was definitely into the Civil War and into the what if scenarios of what if the south had won and if Texas had remained an independent republic. Of course the population numbers and other factors such as few railroads or factories or ship building facilities doomed the south from the very beginning. What so many people fail to realize is the south never could have won the war but they could have achieved their independence. Better distribution of the limited resources and a different strategy focused on simply gaining foreign recognition and making it clear it would cost too much for the north to defeat the south that could have been possible. Instead like many civil wars and revolutions the weaker side believed they could win on the field of battle when all that was needed was to get recognized by other nations and to be seen as capable of maintaining their statehood. Texas was an unusual case where a small group of early settlers wanted independence while most later settlers simply wanted to break away from Mexico in order to join the US. After ten years of independence with former US Army Brigadier Albert Sidney Johnston as their secretary of War many men in San Huston’s government filled their pockets with southern gold and pushed to join the US. This led to a short war in 1848 where Mexico was soundly thrashed and Santa Anna forced into exile to secure Texas entry into the US. I myself always preferred the idea of an independent Texas and all the possibilities for future adventures and westward expansion.
Rowan Coe
1 year ago
I think one of the biggest issues with Texas seceding is that the economy would most likely collapse immediately, as the U.S would most likely not recognize it as a legitimate country, and would probably immediately make moves to take back the state. There would also be internal conflict in Texas, which would lead to instability. These two things would make most large companies not want much involvement with Texas.
Burt Ullick
1 year ago
Article I of the Texas Constitution says “Texas is a free and independent state”, and, “All political power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.”
Will other countries recognize Texas?
Most certainly not the United States of America!
Gus Finnik
1 year ago
Under international law Texas could abrogate the treaty of annexation which the United States has been violating. That treaty was upheld in 1959 by the US Supreme Court. And by the way law is not determined ad baculum. Texas could then renegotiate to be something like Canada and England. There is a connection but they are independent countries.
Gwen Syrkosky
1 year ago
I know the supreme court already ruled on it saying that states couldn’t succeed but i find that weird because it was the original 13 states that created the federal government and they were to follow a set of rules. So initially the individual states had power over the fed and there is a clause stating that should the fed become corrupt and unjust toward the states, they had the ability to break away. I could be wromg about that interpretation though.
Willie Waters
1 year ago
The saying there and goes “I’m not an American, I’m a Texan.”
Article 1 Section 10 of the United States Constitution does it say a state cannot secede from the Union. Under Article 1 Section 10 of the United States Constitution if the Constitution says a state cannot do something the state can’t do it if the Constitution never mentioned it therefore the state can do it because it wasn’t added into the Constitution.
Bison Teagle
1 year ago
Texas actually did start as it’s own country. Then joined the United States. That is why the Texas flag can fly at the same height as the United States flag. So, just saying.
Walter Tucker
1 year ago
TX entered the Union with some stipulations that allow them to bail if they want to. They have their own energy grid and could more easily accomplish this separation.
Charley Hanta
1 year ago
Texas has done this at least a dozen times in the past hundred years. There is currently a small area in Connecticut that has successfully seceded from the union. This probably will not happen, but you should not even be discussing it without an expert, with the level of information you two have.
Area-52
1 year ago
Texas always struck me as the march to their own drum kinda state. If they do decide to secede I can only hope and pray we don’t go to war over it.
Roy Thomas
1 year ago
Texas can’t legally secede from the United States, despite popular myth. While the theme of independence has recurred throughout Texas’s history, it was a republic from 1836 to 1845 before being annexed by the United States. However, the Civil War established that a state cannot secede. Historical and legal precedents make it clear that Texas could not leave the Union — at least not legally. The Supreme Court precedent in Texas v. White holds that states cannot secede from the union by an act of the state. Justice Antonin Scalia further emphasized that “there is no right to secede” based on the constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War. Interestingly, Texas has a quirk of law that allows it to split up into five states without Congress’ approval, based on its admission to the Union in 1845 with a new-states clause. However, this provision does not grant Texas the right to secede entirely. So, while the idea of Texas seceding occasionally resurfaces, the law remains clear: Texas is an integral part of the United States, and secession is not legally valid.
You are right: at least not legally, as a constitutionalist I agree.
But it is possible by force.
Des Karsishian
1 year ago
Good-bye, Texas.
Alex Johnson
1 year ago
I came away convinced that Texas considers itself on loan to the United States. They have so much rich history and industry on its own, and are so responsible for the strength of the US, that they could go back to being an independent republic. The rest of us would just have to figure it out. … I found this line of thought totally crazy, but inescapable.
Bizancio
1 year ago
Nacional Political Parties are not the owners of the States nor their people.
What I always Say: You are having problems for not understanding what a Federal Form of State means. You have to study and think a lot. Begin with the Constitución.
I am not following…
A federation is a political system in which power is sharedbetween a central government and individual states or provinces.
I have read and study the Constitution. Even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession had never been legal, and that, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state.
I think there’s a miscommunication issue here. It is important to mention that federalism in other countries adopted a different historical context and is not exactly the same as the North American model of federalism, nor is the constitution of other countries the same as the American one, except South Africa.
Well, countries like Venezuela in 1811, Mexico in 1824, the Central American Federation in 1825, and Argentina in 1826 adopted constitutions directly inspired by the United States Constitution. Moreover, the framers of the Australian constitution were also influenced by the American experience of constitutional amendment and judicial review. However, it’s important to note that while there are similarities, each constitution is unique and reflects the specific historical, political, and cultural context of its country.
Wesley Rogerson
1 year ago
I really don’t think Texans would vote to leave the union. But if they did, I’d rather let them go than fight a war over it. They won’t survive on their own, anyway…
Robert Pinklon
1 year ago
democracy is the rule of the people and that rule doesn’t need to respect individual rights. We currently have a bill of rights, which codifies the rights of the people, but doesn’t necessarily limit them. The discussion of freedoms and rights is done in the court. I think we should all agree that rights exist and respect them. If someone wants to alter the rights in the constitution they can do it through congress, and not executive order.
Robert Nehoda
1 year ago
The fact that power should go back to the states makes the people serving in those states accountable to the people they live around. If trans rights are important to that community, they will elect those people that make that change as an example.
JAMES AMOS
1 year ago
If Texas decides to leave the legality aspect will not matter. The federal government is broken. Let’s leave – and not take any of the $30 trillion debt wirh us.
A bunch of oil companies would become subject to Texas law. Gas would be affordable. The state would make a lot of money.
Roxy Bufford
1 year ago
I personally want to be a part of America, but our politicians (Reps or Dems) don’t want to be America.
Henry Lee Benson
1 year ago
Seems the country is too big and diverse to ever become cohesive again….most Americans salivate for Nordic countries and other like countries, they ALL have small populations and a homogeneous society………
Freedom in America isn’t the freedom to not have to worry about aspects of your life because the government does it for you. Freedom means the freedom of self determination. Do some people take advantage of this freedom to do terrible things to others? Yes. Do some people squander this freedom to drug abuse, homelessness, and poverty? Yes. With that kind of individual freedom there will always be people that don’t make the best of it and that affects the rest of us. The answer to that though is not to call it freedom when the government takes over the reigns, and if she were paying attention to every facet of that kind of “freedom” she would realize that you lose rights and self determination in ways that she doesn’t even realize from the outside looking in.
Pat O'Hara
1 year ago
The republic of Texas, its own country, not a territory, was annexed into the US in 1845. Not suffixed like other US territories into statehood. Basically it means if we ever decide to be our own country again the US has to let us. That was the condition under our annexation. That’s why we’re the only state that flies our state flag higher than the stars and stripes.
Florence Reinhold
1 year ago
The federal government is not neutered, the federal government is doing exactly what it wants to do, sometimes nothing, sometimes too much but still doing exactly what they want to do.
Bad Feeling
1 year ago
Government taking care of you (while locking you inside)” is the newest interpretation of democracy from the reps.
genevieve le clair
1 year ago
Appliquez cette logique à quiconque voudrait vivre à Gaza, où les Israéliens « s’en prennent au Texas » contre les Arabes.
lizzie.-.winstone
1 year ago
People in other Countries know we are from the US so naturally the majority of travelers will note the State they are from . Nothing to do with independence
D. Sue Moore
1 year ago
In the Middle East, they say, “He went Texas” to describe someone who did something crazy.
Texas is called THE LONE STAR STATE for a reason. People from who travel outside the US will always tell foreigners they’re from Texas rather than America.
Texans, you must remember, you come here to take part, not take over.
Ryan McEldwodd
1 year ago
Split the 50 states into 50 loosely connected countries under the banner of the USA. No more federal bailouts, no federal oversight, you live and die by your states laws. If you don’t like the state you’re living in people should have more power to vote and change laws/regulations instead of leaving it to politicians bought out by companies
Bobcat Elfand
1 year ago
I am not sure Texas would be able to isolate and support itself electrically from the rest of the US. Its already struggling with even the imported power that it currently takes (mostly because its DC links are hugely under capacity needed and outdated at best)
@Raya Murdoch You gotta remember a year or 2 when it was freezing in Texas and the power wasn’t able to sustain itself. When Ted Cruz abandoned the state and went to Mexico for a “vacation”
What a putz. Cruz defended the trip, stating he was trying to be a good dad for his daughters who wanted to escape the cold. Yeah, right, daddy.
Testing Testing
1 year ago
The Supreme Court ruled that states can’t unilaterally secede and that the action is unconstitutional. They can’t secede with the act of the state. Secession could be reached by a revolution, or a possible consent of the states. But the Supreme Court says that it’s unconstitutional
Mary B. Langdom
1 year ago
No President is going to allow a state to leave, if one leaves, what’s to stop other states from leaving? The United States would be no more.
Easy Cake
1 year ago
1.Sell Texas to a foreign power 2.Wait for the entire state to revolt 3. re-annex Texas 4. profit???
Pete Frankson
1 year ago
Texas can secede but only if it gets its power grid to work
Rick Wade
1 year ago
Tx isn’t separated from the US by an ocean & Tx won’t have the french (back when they were a superpower) to back them up. in practice, who would support a texas that declared independance? russia i guess? maybe china? (if either felt like escalating a local conflict into a world war, of course) how well would that go down with texans?
David Capporale
1 year ago
A state seceding from the US would be an incredible turn of history to wittness.
Mark Axos
1 year ago
Dont know about Texas, but I cant wait for to have our own private Idaho.
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La mejor manera de responder a esta consigna es describir cómo es la vida diaria en una de esas prisiones, detalladas por un colega, que allí permaneció por poco más de un mes.
07:00: despertar
muebles en la celda, por lo que la manta esta allí para proporcionar algo de acolchado contra el duro suelo de tatami verde. .
El día comienza a las 7 de la mañana, cuando las duras luces fluorescentes cobraban vida. Segundos después, un guardia (o tanto-san) aparece para abrir la puerta de la celda para que los presos acomoden su ropa de cama. La ropa de cama consiste en un fino colchón tipo futón con una pequeña almohada, un edredón y una manta áspera que también es para uso diurno. No hay
07:05: Limpieza
Después de guardar la ropa de cama, el guardia entrega productos de limpieza a través de una pequeña abertura en la puerta de la celda. Una escobilla de baño, una escoba pequeña y dos trapos de aseo. Los compañeros de celda dividen las tareas y normalmente uno limpia el baño mientras el otro limpia el resto de la celda. Si no limpiáran adecuadamente, recibirían una conversación severa.
07:15–08:00: Desayuno
Una vez terminada la limpieza, se entrega el desayuno. Se reciben dos platos, uno lleno de arroz y el otro lleno de una comida pequeña. Por la mañana siempre hay un trozo de pescado ahumado y huevo dulce. También toman una taza de “té verde” que es principalmente agua tibia.
A veces también les entregan un termómetro en la celda y el guardia avisa si era día para ir a la corte, deben tomarse la temperatura y luego devolverle el termómetro al guardia. La entrega del termómetro era una señal segura de que el prisionero iria a ver al fiscal, al juez o a ambos.
08:00–10:00: tiempo de ejercicio de lunes a sábado (no domingo) y tiempo de ducha los martes y sábados únicamente
Los martes y sábados son designados “días de lluvia” y es el que más esperan. Solo se permite duchar dos veces por semana durante 15 minutos a la vez. Es lo más cercano a “relajarse”.. Hay una bañera en la habitación, junto con dos cabezales de ducha en la pared.
No importaba el día, tienen “tiempo de ejercicio” alrededor de las 8 am. (dura entre 5 y 10 minutos). Los guardias acompañan una celda a la vez hasta una habitación con paredes de cemento. Hay ventanas abiertas en lo alto de las paredes de esta habitación y, aunque no se puede ver a través de ellas, dejan entrar un poco de aire fresco.
10:00–12:00 Hora de sentarse y reflexionar, o interrogatorio por parte de la policía
A las 10 de la mañana comienza el tiempo de “sentarse y reflexionar”. Básicamente dejan solos a los presos la mayor parte del día. Durante el tiempo, pueden leer, escribir en diarios personal, intentar tomar una siesta (extremadamente difícil de lograr con el piso duro y la deslumbrante iluminación fluorescente).
A las 10 de la mañana también comienza el horario en el que a la policía se le permite interrogar a los prisioneros. Hay algo así como un timbre que suena en toda la cárcel y que señala que la policía había llegado para interrogar a alguien. La única advertencia del interrogatorio que se avecinaba era el timbre de la puerta y luego un guardia entrando en la celda. Honestamente, puede suceder en cualquier momento.
Las 12:00 era la hora del almuerzo. Se entregan otros dos platos, uno con arroz y otro con la comida, junto con té verde. La
comida incluye cosas como curry japonés y ensalada de fideos.
Durante la hora del almuerzo, los guardias ponen la radio.
13:00–19:00: sentarse y reflexionar o interrogatorio policial.
A las 13:00 retorna la hora de “sentarse y reflexionar”
16:00: Merienda (durante el tiempo para sentarse y reflexionar)
Si un prisionero tenía suficiente dinero, podía comprar bocadillos como cajas de jugo, bollos dulces, dulces o bocadillos salados como chips de camarones. Los presos tienen que comprar todos los artículos personales como jabón, champú, cepillo de dientes, pasta de dientes y toallas del tamaño de trapos de lavar.
19:00–20:00: cena
La cena se sirve a las 7 pm y consiste en los mismos dos platillos. Uno con arroz y otro sin arroz. Los guardias también encienden la radio durante la cena y todos los domingos tienen un segmento llamado “¡Todo empezó con los Beatles!” donde tocan canciones del grupo inglés.
21:00: preparación para dormir
Es hora de prepararse para la hora de dormir. En realidad, no es ir a la cama, sino que es hora de sacar el futón y prepararlo para la hora de dormir.
22:00: Hora de dormir.
El mejor momento del día. En realidad, rara vez se duerme más de una o dos horas seguidas porque el colchón del futón es muy delgado.
Si bien no creo que sea una experiencia divertida, es una muy buena experiencia de aprendizaje.
PrisioneroEnArgentina.com
Enero 30, 2024
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TEMPLO DE LA HERMANDAD ILLUMINATI” ¡SALUDOS! SALUDOS SI TE CONVIERTES EN MIEMBRO DE LOS GRANDES Illuminati, TE DAMOS LA BIENVENIDA. SE PARTE DE ALGO RENTABLE Y ESPECIAL (BIENVENIDO AL MUNDO DE LOS ILLUMINATI). ¿Eres POLÍTICO, INGENIERO, MÉDICO, ANIMADOR, MODELO? , GRADUADO/ESTUDIANTE, O TIENES EN MENTE AMPLIAR TU NEGOCIO Para CONVERTIRTE EN GRANDES MENTES Es pertinente saber también que Por hacerte miembro, y ganar la suma de $1,000,000USD como primer beneficio de membresía Illuminati. Miedo, soy real. APROVECHA LA “OPORTUNIDAD” DE ORO. La gran Organización Illuminati te hará rico y famoso en el mundo, te sacará de la base y te llevará a una altura mayor donde durante mucho tiempo has aspirado a ser y juntos. Gobernaremos el mundo con el gran y poderoso poder de los Illuminati, larga vida y prosperidad aquí en la tierra con vida eterna y júbilo. Créame, le doy mi palabra. Únase a nosotros para obtener más información en el Whatsapp +2348025699656.
They can’t secede.
It’s clearly stated in the Constitution.
Wonder what the citizens are saying well guess they dont care
The US Supreme court stating states can not secede is like your electric company’s board of directors saying you can’t leave us because it is not written in the contract with us and we decided this is the rule.
The idea is most often raised by conservatives in the state who are angry over some kind of policy coming from the federal government — and the calls seem to become more frequent when a Democrat is occupying the White House.
if there was a referendum for secession which passed there really wouldn’t be anything the US could do about it. If they sent the military to try to subjugate Texas it would be viewed as an attack on democracy around the world which would immediately result in backlash from other countries and most likely more than 1 star would be coming off the US flag. Even if they did send the military it would likely completely backfire. There’s over 100k active-duty personnel from Texas in the US military. Most of which would not just turn on their home and fight against it.
It’s funny to me that Texas can just go “Okay, we’re going to be five states now” and congress can only go “Wait, what?” I’m not sure why; it just is.
Late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for the secession of Texas. The answer is clear, if there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, ‘one Nation, indivisible.’)”
Period.
it’s worth noting the mass exodus of companies from Texas should this ever happen as those companies would no longer be able to trade with the rest of the union,
I was born in San Antonio not far from the Alamo, but I’ve lived in Alabama for over fourth years now. Either way I’ve lived in the deep south for most of my life. I’m a veteran spent 8 years in the Army. When I was young I was definitely into the Civil War and into the what if scenarios of what if the south had won and if Texas had remained an independent republic. Of course the population numbers and other factors such as few railroads or factories or ship building facilities doomed the south from the very beginning. What so many people fail to realize is the south never could have won the war but they could have achieved their independence. Better distribution of the limited resources and a different strategy focused on simply gaining foreign recognition and making it clear it would cost too much for the north to defeat the south that could have been possible. Instead like many civil wars and revolutions the weaker side believed they could win on the field of battle when all that was needed was to get recognized by other nations and to be seen as capable of maintaining their statehood. Texas was an unusual case where a small group of early settlers wanted independence while most later settlers simply wanted to break away from Mexico in order to join the US. After ten years of independence with former US Army Brigadier Albert Sidney Johnston as their secretary of War many men in San Huston’s government filled their pockets with southern gold and pushed to join the US. This led to a short war in 1848 where Mexico was soundly thrashed and Santa Anna forced into exile to secure Texas entry into the US. I myself always preferred the idea of an independent Texas and all the possibilities for future adventures and westward expansion.
I think one of the biggest issues with Texas seceding is that the economy would most likely collapse immediately, as the U.S would most likely not recognize it as a legitimate country, and would probably immediately make moves to take back the state. There would also be internal conflict in Texas, which would lead to instability. These two things would make most large companies not want much involvement with Texas.
Article I of the Texas Constitution says “Texas is a free and independent state”, and, “All political power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.”
Will other countries recognize Texas?
Most certainly not the United States of America!
Under international law Texas could abrogate the treaty of annexation which the United States has been violating. That treaty was upheld in 1959 by the US Supreme Court. And by the way law is not determined ad baculum. Texas could then renegotiate to be something like Canada and England. There is a connection but they are independent countries.
I know the supreme court already ruled on it saying that states couldn’t succeed but i find that weird because it was the original 13 states that created the federal government and they were to follow a set of rules. So initially the individual states had power over the fed and there is a clause stating that should the fed become corrupt and unjust toward the states, they had the ability to break away. I could be wromg about that interpretation though.
The saying there and goes “I’m not an American, I’m a Texan.”
I heard that several times…
Article 1 Section 10 of the United States Constitution does it say a state cannot secede from the Union. Under Article 1 Section 10 of the United States Constitution if the Constitution says a state cannot do something the state can’t do it if the Constitution never mentioned it therefore the state can do it because it wasn’t added into the Constitution.
Texas actually did start as it’s own country. Then joined the United States. That is why the Texas flag can fly at the same height as the United States flag. So, just saying.
TX entered the Union with some stipulations that allow them to bail if they want to. They have their own energy grid and could more easily accomplish this separation.
Texas has done this at least a dozen times in the past hundred years. There is currently a small area in Connecticut that has successfully seceded from the union. This probably will not happen, but you should not even be discussing it without an expert, with the level of information you two have.
Texas always struck me as the march to their own drum kinda state. If they do decide to secede I can only hope and pray we don’t go to war over it.
Texas can’t legally secede from the United States, despite popular myth. While the theme of independence has recurred throughout Texas’s history, it was a republic from 1836 to 1845 before being annexed by the United States. However, the Civil War established that a state cannot secede. Historical and legal precedents make it clear that Texas could not leave the Union — at least not legally. The Supreme Court precedent in Texas v. White holds that states cannot secede from the union by an act of the state. Justice Antonin Scalia further emphasized that “there is no right to secede” based on the constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War. Interestingly, Texas has a quirk of law that allows it to split up into five states without Congress’ approval, based on its admission to the Union in 1845 with a new-states clause. However, this provision does not grant Texas the right to secede entirely. So, while the idea of Texas seceding occasionally resurfaces, the law remains clear: Texas is an integral part of the United States, and secession is not legally valid.
You are right: at least not legally, as a constitutionalist I agree.
But it is possible by force.
Good-bye, Texas.
I came away convinced that Texas considers itself on loan to the United States. They have so much rich history and industry on its own, and are so responsible for the strength of the US, that they could go back to being an independent republic. The rest of us would just have to figure it out. … I found this line of thought totally crazy, but inescapable.
Nacional Political Parties are not the owners of the States nor their people.
That is true.
What I always Say: You are having problems for not understanding what a Federal Form of State means. You have to study and think a lot. Begin with the Constitución.
I am not following…
A federation is a political system in which power is shared between a central government and individual states or provinces.
I have read and study the Constitution. Even before Texas formally rejoined the nation, the U.S. Supreme Court declared that secession had never been legal, and that, even during the rebellion, Texas continued to be a state.
Let’s bring it home. Johannes Althusius is considered the father of modern federalism along with Montesquieu. He notably exposed the bases of this political philosophy in Politica Methodice Digesta, Atque Exemplis Sacris et Profanis Illustrata. Montesquieu sees in the Spirit of Laws, examples of federalist republics in corporate societies, the polis bringing together villages, and the cities themselves forming confederations. Federalism in the modern era was first adopted in the unions of states during the Old Swiss Confederacy.
I think there’s a miscommunication issue here. It is important to mention that federalism in other countries adopted a different historical context and is not exactly the same as the North American model of federalism, nor is the constitution of other countries the same as the American one, except South Africa.
Well, countries like Venezuela in 1811, Mexico in 1824, the Central American Federation in 1825, and Argentina in 1826 adopted constitutions directly inspired by the United States Constitution. Moreover, the framers of the Australian constitution were also influenced by the American experience of constitutional amendment and judicial review. However, it’s important to note that while there are similarities, each constitution is unique and reflects the specific historical, political, and cultural context of its country.
I really don’t think Texans would vote to leave the union. But if they did, I’d rather let them go than fight a war over it.
They won’t survive on their own, anyway…
democracy is the rule of the people and that rule doesn’t need to respect individual rights. We currently have a bill of rights, which codifies the rights of the people, but doesn’t necessarily limit them. The discussion of freedoms and rights is done in the court. I think we should all agree that rights exist and respect them. If someone wants to alter the rights in the constitution they can do it through congress, and not executive order.
The fact that power should go back to the states makes the people serving in those states accountable to the people they live around. If trans rights are important to that community, they will elect those people that make that change as an example.
If Texas decides to leave the legality aspect will not matter. The federal government is broken. Let’s leave – and not take any of the $30 trillion debt wirh us.
A bunch of oil companies would become subject to Texas law. Gas would be affordable. The state would make a lot of money.
I personally want to be a part of America, but our politicians (Reps or Dems) don’t want to be America.
Seems the country is too big and diverse to ever become cohesive again….most Americans salivate for Nordic countries and other like countries, they ALL have small populations and a homogeneous society………
this is why I want to live in a different country
Yeah, let’s move to Ghaza.
Or Ukraine
Texas who wants to secede could move to Gaza.
Freedom in America isn’t the freedom to not have to worry about aspects of your life because the government does it for you. Freedom means the freedom of self determination. Do some people take advantage of this freedom to do terrible things to others? Yes. Do some people squander this freedom to drug abuse, homelessness, and poverty? Yes. With that kind of individual freedom there will always be people that don’t make the best of it and that affects the rest of us. The answer to that though is not to call it freedom when the government takes over the reigns, and if she were paying attention to every facet of that kind of “freedom” she would realize that you lose rights and self determination in ways that she doesn’t even realize from the outside looking in.
The republic of Texas, its own country, not a territory, was annexed into the US in 1845. Not suffixed like other US territories into statehood. Basically it means if we ever decide to be our own country again the US has to let us. That was the condition under our annexation. That’s why we’re the only state that flies our state flag higher than the stars and stripes.
The federal government is not neutered, the federal government is doing exactly what it wants to do, sometimes nothing, sometimes too much but still doing exactly what they want to do.
Government taking care of you (while locking you inside)” is the newest interpretation of democracy from the reps.
Appliquez cette logique à quiconque voudrait vivre à Gaza, où les Israéliens « s’en prennent au Texas » contre les Arabes.
People in other Countries know we are from the US so naturally the majority of travelers will note the State they are from . Nothing to do with independence
In the Middle East, they say, “He went Texas” to describe someone who did something crazy.
They r kinda nuts.
Texas is called THE LONE STAR STATE for a reason. People from who travel outside the US will always tell foreigners they’re from Texas rather than America.
Texans, you must remember, you come here to take part, not take over.
Split the 50 states into 50 loosely connected countries under the banner of the USA. No more federal bailouts, no federal oversight, you live and die by your states laws. If you don’t like the state you’re living in people should have more power to vote and change laws/regulations instead of leaving it to politicians bought out by companies
I am not sure Texas would be able to isolate and support itself electrically from the rest of the US. Its already struggling with even the imported power that it currently takes (mostly because its DC links are hugely under capacity needed and outdated at best)
Texas has a power system completely disconnected from the rest of the US
@Raya Murdoch
You gotta remember a year or 2 when it was freezing in Texas and the power wasn’t able to sustain itself.
When Ted Cruz abandoned the state and went to Mexico for a “vacation”
And Ted Cruz remains in office. Crazy!
What a putz. Cruz defended the trip, stating he was trying to be a good dad for his daughters who wanted to escape the cold. Yeah, right, daddy.
The Supreme Court ruled that states can’t unilaterally secede and that the action is unconstitutional. They can’t secede with the act of the state. Secession could be reached by a revolution, or a possible consent of the states. But the Supreme Court says that it’s unconstitutional
No President is going to allow a state to leave, if one leaves, what’s to stop other states from leaving? The United States would be no more.
1.Sell Texas to a foreign power
2.Wait for the entire state to revolt
3. re-annex Texas
4. profit???
Texas can secede but only if it gets its power grid to work
Tx isn’t separated from the US by an ocean & Tx won’t have the french (back when they were a superpower) to back them up. in practice, who would support a texas that declared independance? russia i guess? maybe china? (if either felt like escalating a local conflict into a world war, of course) how well would that go down with texans?
A state seceding from the US would be an incredible turn of history to wittness.
Dont know about Texas, but I cant wait for to have our own private Idaho.
LOL
I believe the declaration of Independence covers this quite clearly… Any state can leave the union. With enough force and violence
Basically how the colonies of America seperated from Britian. If it works, don’t fix it, right?
10th amendment allows any state to secede