El Tribunal Supremo de España condenó el lunes a nueve líderes separatistas catalanes a entre nueve y trece años de prisión por sedición por su papel en la fallida candidatura a la independencia de la región en 2017. Los otros tres acusados en el histórico fallo sobre un referéndum prohibido y una declaración de independencia efímera fueron declarados culpables sólo de desobediencia y no condenados a prisión. Todos los acusados fueron absueltos del cargo más severo, la rebelión.
Mucho está en juego, tanto para España como para su región más rica en este juicio por un impulso independentista que atrajo la atención mundial, desencadenó la mayor crisis política de España en décadas y desconcertó a los mercados financieros.
Las principales preguntas son cómo reaccionarán los separatistas a los veredictos, si la promesa de protestas pacíficas se mantiene y si la reputación tanto de España como del movimiento separatista podría verse afectada.
Tanto el gobierno como los separatistas distribuyeron su propio video en las redes sociales antes del veredicto. Los separatistas dicen que no han hecho nada malo y el juicio fue tendenciosamente político, el gobierno dice que el juicio siguió estrictamente la ley.
“El único veredicto que aceptaremos es la absolución”, dijo en un vídeo el partido separatista de centro-derecha del ex líder catalán, Carles Puigdemont.
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El propio vídeo del gobierno mostraba a varios ministros defendiendo el sistema democrático de España. El primer ministro interino, Pedro Sánchez, tuiteó el video, con un mensaje que describe a España como uno de los países más libres y seguros del mundo. La pena de prisión más larga fue para el ex subdirector catalán Oriol Junqueras, a quien se le dieron 13 años.
Las protestas separatistas han sido en gran medida pacíficas, pero fuentes policiales han dicho que las autoridades están preparadas para la violencia potencial.
El gobierno ha dicho que está dispuesto a tomar el control directo de Cataluña, como lo hizo brevemente en 2017, si los líderes del movimiento incumplían la ley.
Es probable que el fallo coloree las elecciones nacionales el 10 de noviembre, el cuarto en cuatro años de España, programado para el 10 de noviembre, e influya en la dirección tomada por el movimiento separatista.
Una encuesta de opinión en julio mostró que el 48,3% de los catalanes contra la secesión y el 44,0% estaban a favor.
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Personally, I think it is unfair, due to the higher or lower levels of testosterone. A possibility for equality in sports is to categorize based on testosterone levels or any hormone that is shown to spike an advantage on the specific sport. If they all have a similar testosterone level, would the sex and gender matter?
Brad Netti
3 years ago
if I were a female athlete I would most definitely feel somewhat cheated if someone who used to be a male wanted to compete against me.
Lulu Fields
3 years ago
Until we can say for sure that there is no significant advantage maybe we should just have seperate categories for trans men and women
Except, there aren’t really enough of us to make that work or be worth it. Trans people trying to “usurp” elite competitive sports is not the epidemic the media wants you to think.
Plus trans people just want to live fully as their identified gender. A trans man wants to live the same way a cis man would, and vice versa.
transgender athletic research is among the most important research areas of the next 20 years. I think that data permitting, we should eventually have sport-specific rules for transgender athletes
I think it’s unfair to the girls who work really hard to do well
Captain Facade
3 years ago
transgender athletes are people just like us: normal human beings with feelings, passions, and dreams. They have every right to do what a normal person does and be treated justly. If a trans boy or girl is good at sports, then they deserve a chance to prove their self to the world. A transgender athlete might be worthy of a college sports scholarship or play professionally later on in their lives, but it can all be jeopardized by one erroneous decision taken by the board of directors. Wrong placement of a transgender (in gender teams) can endanger their performance; therefore, the deciders must assign teams justly by examining the Testosterone level.
LADy Blazette
3 years ago
Trying to cater to everyone’s feelings isn’t the magical utopia people think it is.
Making all sports gender neutral will mean that a woman will never won Wimbledon, never win a heavy weight title , never qualify for final 100m sprint . It would be devastating
Rendere gli sport neutrali rispetto al genere renderebbe le donne cis essenzialmente incapaci di praticare qualsiasi sport fisico a qualsiasi livello competitivo
The problem is not F2M trans athletes. It is M2F trans athletes.
Hormones and surgery can only go so far. Male and female bodies are different (especially after puberty) & hormones/surgery can’t change it.
My male partner and I, a female, started going to gym at the same time. We did the same workouts for the same amount of time and ate all the same things (we live together). Starting from both of us not going to the gym for over a year and both being naturally thin people with a three-inch height difference and a weight difference of 10lbs, he quickly surpassed my lifting abilities. Males are just naturally stronger 9/10 times when put up against a female of the same/similar height and weight. It’s not transphobic, it’s just the way our bodies differ
Genius in Montana
3 years ago
The cis athletes were trying to be as reasonable as possible by giving arguments that generally applies to all athletes while the transgender athletes were just being anecdotal most of the time
Say it with me: not agreeing with the trans people participating against females in sports doesn’t mean you’re transphobic (unless it’s something actually transphobic)
El Tribunal Supremo de España condenó el lunes a nueve líderes separatistas catalanes a entre nueve y trece años de prisión por sedición por su papel en la fallida candidatura a la independencia de la región en 2017. Los otros tres acusados en el histórico fallo sobre un referéndum prohibido y una declaración de independencia efímera fueron declarados culpables sólo de desobediencia y no condenados a prisión. Todos los acusados fueron absueltos del cargo más severo, la rebelión.
Las principales preguntas son cómo reaccionarán los separatistas a los veredictos, si la promesa de protestas pacíficas se mantiene y si la reputación tanto de España como del movimiento separatista podría verse afectada.
Tanto el gobierno como los separatistas distribuyeron su propio video en las redes sociales antes del veredicto. Los separatistas dicen que no han hecho nada malo y el juicio fue tendenciosamente político, el gobierno dice que el juicio siguió estrictamente la ley.
“El único veredicto que aceptaremos es la absolución”, dijo en un vídeo el partido separatista de centro-derecha del ex líder catalán, Carles Puigdemont.
El propio vídeo del gobierno mostraba a varios ministros defendiendo el sistema democrático de España. El primer ministro interino, Pedro Sánchez, tuiteó el video, con un mensaje que describe a España como uno de los países más libres y seguros del mundo. La pena de prisión más larga fue para el ex subdirector catalán Oriol Junqueras, a quien se le dieron 13 años.
Las protestas separatistas han sido en gran medida pacíficas, pero fuentes policiales han dicho que las autoridades están preparadas para la violencia potencial.
El gobierno ha dicho que está dispuesto a tomar el control directo de Cataluña, como lo hizo brevemente en 2017, si los líderes del movimiento incumplían la ley.
Es probable que el fallo coloree las elecciones nacionales el 10 de noviembre, el cuarto en cuatro años de España, programado para el 10 de noviembre, e influya en la dirección tomada por el movimiento separatista.
Una encuesta de opinión en julio mostró que el 48,3% de los catalanes contra la secesión y el 44,0% estaban a favor.
PrisioneroEnArgentina.com
Octubre 15, 2019
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Personally, I think it is unfair, due to the higher or lower levels of testosterone. A possibility for equality in sports is to categorize based on testosterone levels or any hormone that is shown to spike an advantage on the specific sport. If they all have a similar testosterone level, would the sex and gender matter?
if I were a female athlete I would most definitely feel somewhat cheated if someone who used to be a male wanted to compete against me.
Until we can say for sure that there is no significant advantage maybe we should just have seperate categories for trans men and women
Except, there aren’t really enough of us to make that work or be worth it. Trans people trying to “usurp” elite competitive sports is not the epidemic the media wants you to think.
Plus trans people just want to live fully as their identified gender. A trans man wants to live the same way a cis man would, and vice versa.
thats transphobic
这不公平。 这是我的意见
允许跨性别者与异性竞争只会在一个方向上给他们带来可能的优势！ 跨性别女性可能比顺女性更有优势。 然而，跨性别男人与顺式男人相比肯定没有优势。 因此，顺式男性没有真正的变化，而女性可能会有很大的变化。
It’s not complicated. It is unfair. And no, it’s not transphobic.
„Það er algjörlega brýnt að frelsi og mannréttindi hverrar manneskju séu virt, um allan heim.“
– Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir
transgender athletic research is among the most important research areas of the next 20 years. I think that data permitting, we should eventually have sport-specific rules for transgender athletes
The strength definitely is the difference
I think it’s unfair to the girls who work really hard to do well
transgender athletes are people just like us: normal human beings with feelings, passions, and dreams. They have every right to do what a normal person does and be treated justly. If a trans boy or girl is good at sports, then they deserve a chance to prove their self to the world. A transgender athlete might be worthy of a college sports scholarship or play professionally later on in their lives, but it can all be jeopardized by one erroneous decision taken by the board of directors. Wrong placement of a transgender (in gender teams) can endanger their performance; therefore, the deciders must assign teams justly by examining the Testosterone level.
Trying to cater to everyone’s feelings isn’t the magical utopia people think it is.
This isnt a point anyone can argue. They do have an advantage. Even if having not gone through puberty, they still have a male bone structure.
I support trans rights but the advantage is clear and it’s delusional to think otherwise.
Making all sports gender neutral will mean that a woman will never won Wimbledon, never win a heavy weight title , never qualify for final 100m sprint . It would be devastating
Rendere gli sport neutrali rispetto al genere renderebbe le donne cis essenzialmente incapaci di praticare qualsiasi sport fisico a qualsiasi livello competitivo
I actually agree that trans people (especially male to female) do have a physical advantage over cis women
Alternative title for the article: people trying not to say something that would get them cancelled for 20 minutes straight.
The problem is not F2M trans athletes. It is M2F trans athletes.
Hormones and surgery can only go so far. Male and female bodies are different (especially after puberty) & hormones/surgery can’t change it.
Yup. They face a huge disadvantage
mos def: NOT FAIR TO WOMEN
I feel so sorry for the cis athletes. I feel they had to hold back heavily on their words, or else they’d be canceled.
My male partner and I, a female, started going to gym at the same time. We did the same workouts for the same amount of time and ate all the same things (we live together). Starting from both of us not going to the gym for over a year and both being naturally thin people with a three-inch height difference and a weight difference of 10lbs, he quickly surpassed my lifting abilities. Males are just naturally stronger 9/10 times when put up against a female of the same/similar height and weight. It’s not transphobic, it’s just the way our bodies differ
The cis athletes were trying to be as reasonable as possible by giving arguments that generally applies to all athletes while the transgender athletes were just being anecdotal most of the time
Say it with me: not agreeing with the trans people participating against females in sports doesn’t mean you’re transphobic (unless it’s something actually transphobic)